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Letters to Cyclingnews - July 31, 2008Here's your chance to get more involved with Cyclingnews. Comments and criticism on current stories, races, coverage and anything cycling related are welcomed, even pictures if you wish. Letters should be brief (less than 300 words), with the sender clearly identified. They may be edited for space and clarity; please stick to one topic per letter. We will normally include your name and place of residence, but not your email address unless you specify in the message. Please email your correspondence to letters@cyclingnews.com. A bike by any other name A bike by any other nameMy Gosh he is right! Stephen Connell Friday, Jul7 25, 2008 Accountability and cycling teamsCycling teams are big business. One would think that both riders and team managements would have some grasp of their respective accountabilities. The scene of a Saunier Duval rider dedicating his victory to his dead brother one day and leaving the Tour in disgrace soon after says a lot about accountability and little about respect. My particular beef is with team management and particularly with that of Silence-Lotto. Given that the Silence-Lotto management is spending many millions of dollars on behalf of its sponsors, what is its level of accountability to those sponsors? Cadel Evans has no support in the mountains. Robbie McEwen had no support in the sprints. They employ a rider who seems to glow in pride with coming last in the Tour three times and second-last once (is he the Silence Lotto team accountant?). Who is responsible for this debacle? If I were a share holder, I would call for the sacking of the management. Crying in my beer in Australia. Dick Wright Tuesday, July 29, 2008 Andy Schleck "killing moves"I find that in racing, the pack may let one contender get away, but if Christian Vande Velde jumps, then Schleck jumps on his wheel so CSC doesn't have to work any. Then if Menchov thinks, "this is a move that could gain me some time", and tries to bridge, before you know it, everyone is answering and Christian Vande Velde move has gone nowhere. Amos Meyers Thursday, July 24, 2008 Anti-doping chief calls Tour tests a success?Interesting that Pierre Bordry, president of the French Anti-doping Agency, calls this year Tour a success. Leonardo Piepoli, who won a stage and was thus necessarily tested, apparently did not test positive for any doping agents despite his unsolicited admission of guilt. The testing has a long way to go before I would personally label the efforts to catch cheaters successful. PJ D. Saturday, July 26, 2008 ASO, doping and AstanaSamuel Brower writes that "Astana have the same in house anti-doping protocol as Garmin-Chipotle, Columbia, and CSC-Saxo Bank." Samuel, I challenge you to prove it. Press releases hyped Astana's johnny-come-lately adoption of Daamsgard's anti-doping program, but where is the data? No specifics were given and no results provided. I'd like to see you find it on their web site -- or anywhere else. Brian Trudell Thursday, July 24, 2008 ASO, doping and Astana #2Michael de Serb's letter highlights the level of jealousy that exists in the minds of some cycling fans. If you win one too many times, you must be doping. And if you never get caught for it, well then, you really must be good at doping. Given that level of cynicism, we really should go back and erase all of the great exploits of cycling: Merckx's domination in his first Tour, Miguel Indurains' destruction of the field in a Tour time trial, Bernard Hinault and LeMond's shellacking of the field on Alpe d' Huez etc. Obviously, they must be on drugs. No one is better than the average. No, really they are not. This will then serve to elevate the mediocre performances that the jealous crowd so adores. That way no one will appear "too good". No one will appear "better" than the others. The ultimate "dumbing down" of civilization will be complete. Then the naysayers can go about their mediocre, boring lives with a smug look on their boring faces. This is the same crowd that suggests we should cancel the Tour, or any event that finds a cheater. Makes sense. Let's get rid of any sporting, academic, or social event where those "cheaters" make the rest of us look impotent. Scott Grimshaw Thursday, July 24, 2008 ASO, doping and Astana #3Jeff, your comments are completely wrong. I've been following the professional peloton since '81. As I was a 16 year old American transplanted in Italy. Two truths are evident over the past 2 years: 1 Dopers now stick out like sore thumbs, and If you really pay attention to the race this year (and last year for that matter) the style of racing and those who excel are completely different from 3-4 years ago. Carlo Sastre would never have been in yellow years ago. Also, look how close the race is. It makes more sense that the top contenders would be this close based on training and their own physiology. Doping is what creates large gaps in performance at this level. The fact that a talented rider like Christian Vande Velde is in a position to podium is a testament to a cleaner peloton. Contador may be the best out there, but I always thought that by making teams responsible for the riders actions sends a powerful message to the peloton. Astana with their internal monitoring had a strong argument to start the race. But it is also true that they have been in the centre of too many scandals. A year in the penalty box is not completely ridiculous. Ricardo Riccò and last years big scandal riders Michael Rasmussen and Alexandre Vinokourov, performances stick out like sore thumbs. This is not the same old story. If you have a trained eyed this reads like a fresh, long awaited new one. Joe Galitzin Thursday, July 24, 2008 ASO, doping and Astana #4With all do respect to Sameul Brower, this year's Tour shows that ASO is doing more than that UCI. Compare the results of the Giro to this year's Tour. Riccò nearly won the Giro and never tested positive whereas in the Tour - under the ASO testing regime - he gets tested and caught. The ASO is a business and is protecting its rights. The UCI is a governing body that was attempting to steal those rights and take money from the ASO and other tour organizers. As Americans I would hope that folks like Mr. Brower would defend those rights and those who act to protect them. As for Astana - shame on Alberto if he joined a team that had participated in the 07 Tour (as a wild card invitee) under the threat from Prudhomme that any shenanigans would doom their future participation. Sure the Let Levi Ride crowd will crow about this being different, that being different. But the important things remain the same - the team and the sponsors. Sponsors have responsibilities too. Having had two successive years of major issues and having been warned to not have issues in 07, Astana knew what was coming (both the team and the sponsors). We should be pleased that the ASO put some real teeth into its threat. Doping has consequences; it has intentional victims and unintentional victims. Alberto made his choice knowing all of this. Tom Bruno Friday, July 25, 2008 Bad bloodI was reading about this book by Jeremy Whittle called Bad Blood on Cyclingnews' site. His final point about: "We love sport, not for its certainties, but for its uncertainties. But uncertainty is of no use to a doper. They want guarantees for success. (...) Paradoxically, dopers are fragile, paranoid and insecure, because they know that, on the day they don't dope, they will have non certainty. Ironically, for people who have given their lives to the pursuit of sporting excellence, those who dope themselves will never really know what their natural limits are." I strongly agree with this assessment, and would further that by pointing out an excellent book about what is the fundamental basis of drug use and abuse of all kinds, as well as many other ills of our society in general: The Control Disease. The book is called "Compelled to Control" by J. Keith Miller. I would say what Jeremy Whittle has pointed out here is an indictment of our own societal ills. We live, in general, in a society based on control. Everyone reading this has likely tried the new performance enhancing something or other. We are controlled, and we rage against control, but as in The Matrix, we rage against using only the methods given to us, pushed at us. Even our heroes form a method of control and are handsomely rewarded for it. Lance Armstrong is everywhere now on the web pushing FPS drinks. When things don't go as we wish, we often, in our fear, step up to use controlling behaviours. Doping is so frightening to us because it looks just like us. Whole societies national pastimes (oddly, usually the ones based on English/former English rule) involve huge quantities of substances of various kinds. Entertainments are described as "opiates of the masses". Our entire society is defined by its addictions, and at the root of these is the control impulse. I fell victim to this group mentality when I was cycling. I drank the Kool-Aid (err, Cytomax) like a good boy- I had a whole cocktail of stuff I took from ibuprofen to "power" (power or control?) gels. Sure, it's all "legal" but it's not different. We all want to feel that we have exerted some level of control over our performances and companies are more than willing to take our money to satisfy this urge. This is the essence of marketing. The promise of control. I didn't see that then, but it's clear enough to me now. You see this everywhere, and not only in cycling. Control is my disease as well as yours. Even Jeremy Whittle's (and everyone else's) desire for a clean Tour de France is based on a fantasy of integrity that has never existed in any sport, including our own beloved one since the beginning. This itself is a form of control. Real integrity is what right is done when no one is looking. It's a completely unclaimed thing. I am sure David Millar knows this, and can take our messages about his own apparent hypocrisy knowing this. We all rail against hypocrisy in these letters on a regular basis, but only you know if you are standing on truth or not. No testing can show this, and no ultimatums by organizations can assist you in this effort, or our beloved heroes in the hardest sport on earth. Regis Chapman Saturday, July 26, 2008 Boycott le Tour and Olympics"And don't tell me that America doesn't censor what it finds to be dangerous to its own ideology.... China is far from perfect and yes it's silly to ban something like the bible but it's their country and they make the rules, live with it." Richard Hinsliff I hope you are not a zookeeper. From this line of reasoning you would have a hard time telling the difference between a rattle snake and a dog. Yes, America is not perfect, but they are not a totalitarian dictatorship with onerous restrictions on speech, property, etc. You are trying to compare the imperfections with the out and out tyrannical actions of another nation. I would suggest doing some reading on the subject before making a larger fool of yourself. Steve Stringham Thursday, July 24, 2008 Carlos SastreBravo Senior Sastre! Great win by a great rider on a great team. Do we have a new "Jan Ulrich" in the making, i.e. a perennial second place, in Evans? At least Jan was fun to watch. I'd like to see le Tour add another placement, "The Beige Jersey" for most boring GC contender. Mr. E would win that easily. Jeff Saturday, July 26, 2008 Carlos Sastre #2Carlos Sastre performance in the TT on Saturday reminds me of another great Spanish climber who worked hard to become a good time trial rider and win grand tour races. Who could it be you might ask? Well, none other that Joseba Beloki; nice ride Carlos. Mike Payne Sunday, July 27, 2008 Bring back bonus seconds to liven le TourI think that the route was great this year, but without bonus seconds on offer the leaders were content to follow and watch each other (apart from Sastre on Alpe d'Huez which was great tactics from CSC). If there were say 20 seconds for the leader available each time, then Menchov, and certainly Valverde, would have been drawn to them and it would have made things more exciting - apart from Hautacam and Alpe d'Huez the race was neutralised the rest of the time. Colin Flockton Monday, July 28, 2008 Canadian eh! Ryder HesjedalCanadian eh! Congratulations to Ryder Hesjedal for his impressive first Tour de France. You have made all of Canada proud racing for one of the cleanest teams in the peloton. We watched you work for Christian Vande Velde, soar in the mountains and then rocket on the final ITT to land an impressive 13th for that stage, beating some of the world's best. Nice brother. I cannot wait to see you get some freedom to ride for yourself in the years to come. Too bad that Michael Barry wasn't there to share in the fun; we've long been rooting (Canadian slang, sorry Oz) for him. I hope that together Ryder, Michael and Svein Tuft can dish out some pain at the Olympics. Thanks to previous riders like Steve Bauer, Gord Stapleton, Alex Steida, Clara Hughes, Gord Fraser...and now Ryder, Canadian cycling continues to look healthy as ever. Drew Schemmer Sunday, July 27, 2008 Cleaning up cycling, a suggestionI would like to respond to Fred Hawkins' suggestion to strike through the names of cyclists who used doping. I don't think it's a good suggestion, since it the suggestion ignores the principal problem with doping: a lot of it goes unnoticed. For example, it is possible that Riccò used the same product during this years' Giro as he did during the tour. But he did not test positive then. So, logically, it stands to reason that earlier the product could not be detected or that it was not tested for. So any number of cyclists could have used it during that Giro. What would be the point of striking through only Riccò's name? Many cyclists complain that they are all painted with the same brush, but gross generalization is not on the audience's mind. Rather, it is the realization that there is no definitive way to distinguish the clever liars from those who ride clean. The number of doping cyclists who never tested positive (like most of Fuentes' customers) is proof of that. Striking through names would create the illusion the public could make such a distinction, which is, in itself, a lie. Jonathan van der Sluis Tuesday, July 29, 2008 ConfusedTo Patrick of Oregon (and others): Armstrong did not lose 10 kilos of body weight during his cancer treatment. As a matter of fact, if you look at his body weight before cancer, and when he started the Tour in 2004, the weights are only a couple of pounds apart. Also, Coyle's work has been described as shoddy, and has been refuted many times by other experts in the field of physiology. Yes, Armstrong was a gifted athlete. But you have all bought into the hype, and the grand tale woven by his PR folks. Thing is, most, if not all of the pro cyclists out there are highly gifted athletes. Armstrong's VO2 numbers and power output aren't much better, and in some cases a lot worse, than other cyclists who rode during his reign. Tom Arsenault Friday, July 25, 2008 Confused #2Lance Armstrong losing 10kgs in weight is often cited as one of the reasons why he improved so much in the mountains. However the evidence points to there being only a small change in his weight of perhaps 2-3kgs, while one report I've seen suggests there was no change. One US article suggests that he outperformed cyclists such as Ulrich because he was 10kgs lighter; however the latter appears to have weighed just 2-3kgs more. What people might be confusing is that Armstrong may have decreased his body fat level, while increasing his lean muscle. Regards Stephen Burke Monday, July 28, 2008 Confused #3Without a mention of Dr. Michelle Ferarri, all other arguments are a waste of time. Ferrari and his mentor Conconi perfected the practice of doping cyclists. I'm a physician who used to live in Italy and know Ferrari personally. For those of you who argue on guilt or innocence without fully understanding how he conducted his "practice" are deluding themselves that they actually understand the topic. The association with Ferrari says it all. Joseph C. Galitzin M.D. Monday, July 28, 2008 Confused #4It appears that my asking a question concerning Lance Armstrong has struck a chord with the avid fans of Lance. There was no accusation in this just a certain curiosity. Experts seem to agree that the physiological profiles of the cyclist in the Tour varies by only the slightest amount (less than 1%) They also say that EPO increases performance by as much as 30%. When considering these facts (with no finger pointing in mind) it presents a confusing picture. The physiological profiles of Lance (which have been published and documented) did not vary, to any large degree, from the other competitors; which have been proven to be doping. I am in no way saying Lance used performance enhancing drugs!!! I am asking how an athlete (any athlete) can achieve such fantastic results. I am sure all athletes would benefit from that answer. Bruce Hanawalt Wednesday, July 30, 2008 Confused #5On July 15th, Mr. Brian Hanawalt wrote: "Prior to the cancer he could not finish a Tour. After he came back he was able to dominate the world's best (while the competitors doped) and he was reportedly clean. This causes me much confusion." Get the facts straight and stop providing bad data. In the 1995 Tour de France Lance finished the Tour in 36th place and he took stage 18 in honour of team-mate Fabio Casartelli who crashed and died on stage 15. Keith Luzzi Friday, July 25, 2008 Respond to this
letter ContadorI pity Jeff Miranda and any others who are not watching this year's Tour because Astana is not in. Yeah, it would be great if Contador, Kloden, and Leipheimer (or even Ullrich) were racing it, but geez, it's still been one of the most exciting Tours in a long time. There have been seven different guys in yellow (so far) and six guys with a chance to win the overall heading into the last mountain stage...awesome. Your TV boycott really only hurts yourself, as the ASO sees only the increased crowds on the roads of France, not the scattered-few TV viewers changing the channel. Rob Found Friday, July 25, 2008 Crank Length FormulaFor those readers that intuitively feel that crank length should be chosen on an individual basis, but are less than thrilled with the many formulas using seemingly arbitrary numbers to reach an end result, I'd like to offer this. Height / Phi / Pi / 2 = Crank Length Example with a 177cm cyclist: 177 / 1.61803 / 3.14159 / 2 = 17.4cm or 174mm Why use phi and pi? Phi is the "number" nature uses to create levers in organic beings. In this model, we are leveraging ourselves, so we use our height. Because the UCI likes spinning in circles so much, and requires cranks to do likewise, we then divide the length of our lever by pi. This gives us the diameter of the circle our cranks will circumscribe. Divide by 2 to get the radius of that circle, which is equal to the crank length. Of course for those with particularly odd bodies, who parents' genes didn't use phi to determine their own body proportions, you may need to look elsewhere for a way to determine your crank length. Joe Wiley Wednesday, July 30, 2008 Recent letters pagesLetters 2008
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