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Letters to Cyclingnews - July 17, 2008Here's your chance to get more involved with Cyclingnews. Comments and criticism on current stories, races, coverage and anything cycling related are welcomed, even pictures if you wish. Letters should be brief (less than 300 words), with the sender clearly identified. They may be edited for space and clarity; please stick to one topic per letter. We will normally include your name and place of residence, but not your email address unless you specify in the message. Please email your correspondence to letters@cyclingnews.com. The effect of time bonuses The effect of time bonusesYou say not much would be changed having no time bonus versus having them. It may show in the results, but not in the racing. Would Cadel Evans have worked harder on the climb to Hautecam if he wanted the jersey? To limit Frank Schleck, then drag Denis Menchov and the others along, would we have seen more attacks on that last climb rather than the paddy cakes they were playing with each other? Time bonuses certainly do make the race more exciting and for someone to write that article shows a somewhat narrow minded approach to it. John Olsa Wednesday, July 16, 2008 The effect of time bonusesDear CyclingNews, First thank you for an excellent source for information and educated commentary. Today you wrote “lack of time bonuses makes no difference”. While I appreciate the tedious work you have gone through to calculate what time bonuses would have been awarded according to how the stages have happened so far, you are making one important assumption: There are no time-bonuses and therefore the general classification riders are not competing for them. I found it entertaining when in the past occasionally we could see general classification contenders fighting for seconds during the stages. Now, for instance, with Frank Schleck one second back, it could have been a couple of interesting stages to come. And it would be something favoring animating riders instead of defensive riders like Cadel Evans. Henrik Ronnow Wednesday, July 16, 2008 Rohregger and arch cleatsCongratulations to Thomas Rohregger winning the Tour of Austria. His name came up last year as a proponent of mid-foot or arch position cleats. You can see from the photos his cleats are way back on his mid arches. After his success perhaps the idea may gain more momentum. John Heald Wednesday, July 16, 2008 Cascade Cycling Classic accidentI live in the western part of the United States in the heart of cattle country (formerly Wyoming and now South Dakota). Every day during training I cross at least a dozen cattle guards without incident. When we race here, we consider cattle guards as road furniture, as well as railroad tracks, turnabouts, gravel, occasional dirt sections, and wandering deer and pronghorn. We accept the fact that cattle guards are a necessary hazard and assume that element of risk when riding. Race promoters cannot eliminate all risks on their courses. In fact, the promoters may be exposed to greater liability if they attempt to mitigate a hazardous situation and an accident occurs nonetheless. Cattle guards are intended to separate livestock from some sections of public roadway. A myriad of Federal, State, and Local regulations govern cattle guard construction, placement, and operation. It is unfortunate that the rider at Cascade crashed out on a cattle guard, but it is also the rider's responsibility to be aware of hazardous conditions on the course as well as navigate them appropriately in the context of the race. R. Pestel Tuesday, July 15, 2008 ConfusedSince the Lance Armstrong era many of his team mates and competitors have been shown to have used performance enhancing drugs or methods while competing with or against Lance. How can one explain the dominance Lance had? Prior to the cancer he could not finish a Tour. After he came back he was able to dominate the world’s best (while the competitors doped) and he was reportedly clean. This causes me much confusion. Bruce Hanawalt Tuesday, July 15, 2008 Boycott le Tour and OlympicsI couldn't agree more with Ryan on most of his points. If athletes want to compete in countries other than their own, and accept the benefits and plaudits that this brings them then they should be prepared to respect the beliefs and institutions prevalent in those countries. If those athletes wish to take a stand against human rights abuses or corruption, or whatever else, then they have a perfectly legitimate way of expressing themselves by not going. Funnily enough, not many athletes seem to be willing to take this route. Philip McVey Wednesday, July 16, 2008 Boycott le Tour and OlympicsI was disappointed in Tony Beasdale's response to the issue of only one Bible at the Olympic Games. I understand Tony is from France, and the French may have different ideas about a government controlling speech and religion. In the United States, we believe that people are "endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights." Our Founding Fathers thought it important enough to list those inalienable rights in our Constitution. Those included (but aren't limited to) Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association, and Freedom of the Press. Our Supreme Court has held repeatedly over the years that Tony's idea that "people shouldn't have the right to push their beliefs on anybody else" infringes on the right of freedom of speech, and often infringes on the right of freedom of association. They've also noted that Freedom of Speech necessarily entails a Right to Listen, that the hearer has a right to be allowed to hear speech and consider if he or she agrees. Perhaps Tony might not want a Bible handed out to him, but that doesn't mean he should take away others' rights to have a Bible given to them. Yes, I realize that China is not the United States of America, nor is France. But it is troubling when any government tries to control the speech and thoughts of its citizens. If the Bible were as innocuous and outdated as the Chinese Government says, there would be no danger in handing it out. As Thomas Jefferson said, "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". I agree with Jefferson that it is not the right of governments to infringe upon people's freedoms. Charlie Mack Wednesday, July 16, 2008 Boycott le Tour and OlympicsGood grief Tony! Why can't you be consistent and keep your beliefs about pushing beliefs to yourself? David Johnson Wednesday, July 16, 2008 Alison Starnes diaryCongratulations to Alison Starnes for moving up from a Category 4 to Category 1/2 Pro in three months, as she wrote in her diary feature this week in Cyclingnews.com, but God help the other 1/2 Pro riders in the peloton (especially in a criterium!) who have to ride with such an inexperienced bike handler. I think the US Cycling Federation should have rules against this sort of premature upgrading. I used to live and race in Boulder, Colorado where many world-class ex-runners and triathletes would jump into cycling and because of their fitness, they moved through the ranks quickly but they were usually the ones that caused all the crashes. Maybe a minimum number of races should be required before a rider is advanced. Jeff Schatz Wednesday, July 16, 2008 Is McQuaid interested in Cycling at all?Cycling fans and the general sporting public get excited by the build-up to the Tour de France. And, during July, we avidly follow the extensive TV and newspaper coverage day-by-day. We can't wait until tomorrow's stage. It has the same excitement to the world as the FA Cup, The IRB World Cup, Wimbledon, the Olympics, MotoGP, etc. In today's latest cycling news, Pat McQuaid told Cyclingnews.com: "I'm not at the race this year but I do watch it on a passing basis from the office". The President of the world governing body is only watching the biggest, most exciting cycling event in the world on a "passing basis"? He sounds like a small child who takes his ball home because he is not winning. Is it time for a cycling fan to govern the UCI. Darren Tuesday, July 15, 2008 More involvement needed from CPAI was a bit shocked to read Cédric Vasseur's comments about the CPA leaving the big problems in cycling to the major actors to solve. Surely now, in a situation where the ProTour teams have elected not to renew their contracts, all the stakeholders in the sport need to actively work together to co-create the future of top level cycling. The riders' points of view and ideas are integral to this process and the CPA (and those that are now driving this process - ProTour teams and the Grand Tour organisers) should be ensuring that riders are at the table. Brett Patching Tuesday, July 15, 2008 Teams ditch UCIIt seems to me that with the Pro Tour now dead there is the distinct possibility that top level pro cycling will revert to being Euro-centric, with only boutique levels of support overseas. What will happen to the little races like the Tour Down Under and the Tour of California? These two may be relatively safe, but the one thing the ProTour did right was in at least attempting to broaden the interest in the sport overseas. So what will the new world look like? My (very humble) suggestion is that the ASO create a 'champions league' that takes teams from the highest ranked continental teams in the various international regions. If the numbers are kept small (say 10 or 15 teams) individual races could still invite 5 or 10 wildcards of their choice. You could also limit the number of races to five or 10 majors so that we see more top level riders returning to ride the smaller races, perhaps even in their own country? Introduce relegation for the last one or two teams at the end of each season and you not only have a truly international competition, but you also promote more interest in the second tier competition and improve the level of competition. I know this concept comes with its own issues, but the worst thing would be for cycling to return to being Europe's baseball ("World Series" - what's with that?). Come on ASO - be brave! Nathan Edwardson Wednesday, July 16, 2008 Teams ditch UCIThere are plenty of teams out there without ProTour licences that would probably love to get one. If the current ProTour teams want to bite the hand that has fed them all along, then let them go. Let them have their three races under ASO, but don't invite them to all the other ProTour races that we all know and love. My feeling is that they are becoming bitter about the new "controls" and by leaving the UCI they will be able to do as they wish easier then before. Tim Farnham Wednesday, July 16, 2008 Teams ditch UCISo the teams have caved in to ASO and ditched the UCI. I think this is a sad day for cycling as a sport. Power, money and self-interest have prevailed over right. The UCI has been pretty inept at times but who wouldn't be when constantly walking in a minefield. A sport needs an independent body to create and administer its rules. Do the teams and the ASO accept this? If the UCI withdraws from all commercial activity are they willing to recognise its authority? Are they willing to finance such a body? The answer appears to be no. So the power brokers and the money men will continue to dominate. That is just what led to the drugged mess that pro cycling is in (I use the present tense intentionally). Norman Winn Tuesday, July 15, 2008 Teams ditch UCIGood riddance. Why would any team want to pay for the licence and be forced to ride the Tour of Poland but not be assured of any Grand Your or monument (except the Tour of Flanders, not an attractive target for half the Pro Tour teams anyway)? Mark Baron Wednesday, July 16, 2008 Teams ditch UCII for one am glad that the UCI's ill-conceived ProTour is dead. To me it always kind of felt similar to... let us say, a group of football referees deciding what teams would play in what tournaments. It just seemed fundamentally wrong to have the referees in charge of selection. Let the races decide who goes their races! I think the UCI needs to be either entirely eliminated, or have its charter completely re-written. They should only be arbiters of the rules, nothing more, nothing less. Also, I loved the now extinct World Cup, but these hair-brained-season-long-super-competitions that pit riders like a Lance Armstrong against a Paolo Bettini. I stopped following the standings after the first year! I am very curious to know what everyone else thinks of the end of the ProTour. Cory Thompson Tuesday, July 15, 2008 Teams ditch UCIAll 17 ProTour teams currently in the Tour de France vote to leave the ProTour and UCI (and probably Astana also). So, why is anyone surprised by this development? Do you really think any of those 18 teams are going to tell the Tour that they side with the UCI? Get real. Side with ASO, get invited to the Tour in 2009. Side with the UCI, well enjoy the Tour of Antarctica. At least maybe this will bring an end to this sorry episode. Danny Autrey Wednesday, July 16, 2008 Teams ditch UCINow that the teams seem to be trying to solve the issues, all that is coming out of Pat McQuaid’s mouth seems to be negative. He needs to be dumped and get someone to run the UCI that actually is not on a seemed power trip. At this point, McQuaid should be saying okay, let’s work together and get things going in the right direction. Instead, all he is doing is making threats and informing teams that they are still part of the ProTour and wanting to charge or fine them. It is now becoming really obvious, until UCI dumps McQuaid, then cycling will never come together with the UCI involved. Whatever it takes, send him out to pasture and let’s get moving in the positive direction. For some reason, wannabe King McQuaid just does not get it! Marshall Brinson Wednesday, July 16, 2008 Respond to
this letter Yet another...Manual BeltranQuit whining about professional cycling and your distrust and displeasure. If you don’t want to watch it then don’t watch it. But don’t whine to the rest of us who enjoy following cycling. We all want the dopers out and a lot is being done to eradicate them. Just remember, there is no sport in the world that has stricter doping policies than cycling. If all the American sports athletes were tested in the same way as cycling, half of their leagues would be suspended or thrown out. At least cycling is doing something about it and not just talking about doing something. Be proud to be a fan of a sport that wants to clean its closet, even if it means a short term detriment to the sport. If anything, the sport slipped away 10 and 20 years ago when doping was rampant and not controlled. Now it is cleaner than ever and you want to say it is slipping away? Brian Tuesday, July 15, 2008 Yet another...Manual BeltranSo all of these riders have tested positive for some sort of doping, drug or blood since leaving Discovery Channel and that proves that Discovery had to be doping? Does the fact that these riders are older, on weaker teams, smaller budgets, probably less qualified training and other issues like that not mean anything? Discovery was a team at the top of the sport, in rider strength, training, bikes, kits and every thing else you can think of. I guess they are also the only team in professional cycling that had figured out how to beat all of the test for drugs also? When are all of the conspiracies going away and just let Lance and Discovery fade into history? I can not believe how many just spend their time trying to find a way to downplay the things that Lance and Discovery were able to accomplish while never testing positive for drugs. Why not spend this time on your bike and get over it! Marshall Brinson Tuesday, July 15, 2008 Yet another...Manual BeltranSo, let me see if I have the facts correctly. Manual, Roberto, Tyler and Floyd were weak riders who never used performance enhancing drugs before joining US Postal/Discovery Channel. The evil Lance Armstrong and all his wizardry turned them in to dope fiends. Unable to escape Lances evil influence, they each tested positive on teams, after leaving Postal/Discovery? Ha! You all are funny. Turning Lance into an evil deity - Lance retired years ago. The man played the game according to the nature of the times and won. I'm fairly sure most of us fans know what took place during the ‘90s and early ‘00s. Don't like it? Too bad, get over it. We are in a new era of cycling. Try joining us in 2008 and leave the past in the past. Jay Hahn Tuesday, July 15, 2008 Yet another...Manual BeltranSure there is a common link, these riders all tested positive outside US Postal and Discovery Channel. If there was organized doping at Postal/Discovery (there might have been, I don't know) I would assume at one point at least one rider would have been caught. Tom Ahlrichs Tuesday, July 15, 2008 Yet another...Manual BeltranLeave Floyd out of that list. Glenn Hore Wednesday, July 16, 2008 Yet another...Manuel Beltran"We're all waiting for the next positive test, and if that's what being a fan
of this sport is about, I want none of it." Nice attitude, Patrick. Keep muckraking. There will never be a complete absence of cheating, so there will always be a foothold to argue that cycling is a lost cause, if that's what you want to do. Fortunately, that isn’t what being a fan of cycling is about. Following races with excitement and saying "good riddance" to caught dopers is the way to do it. Moping when a cheater is caught and saying the sport is hopeless is like giving up on cleaning your house because the dust always comes back. Beltran's doping offense was dealt with swiftly both by doping officials and by his team. What else could you ask for? Take it from Bjarne Riis; "return the focus to the racing? We can and we have too". Colin Gibson Tuesday, July 15, 2008 Yet another...Manual BeltranManuel Beltran, Santi Perez, Moises Dueñas, Roberto Heras, the brothers Gonzalez de Galdeano, Beloki, Oscar Sevilla, is there a common link here? Oh my God, yes there is. They're all Spaniards. Doug Lister Wednesday, July 16, 2008 Yet another...Manual BeltranPatrick in Portland, Oregon, I think you are missing the point. The point of drug testing is to catch the cheaters and as far as I can tell they are doing just that. It's for this reason and many others that I refuse to throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater. Ask yourself this....did Manual Beltran win any stages this Tour? Did he figure in the overall? Was he wearing a leader’s jersey of any kind? So then how could it have affected your Tour de France experience or your love of cycling? Last I checked he was not among the leaders and since he was nabbed early on, will play no factor in the outcome. I think this is all positive...for lack of a better term. Let's face it, when it comes to competition there will always be those who are willing to take chances to try win or just do better, whatever their reason. As long as those are caught and disciplined then let the games go on. It's what you make it Patrick. Don't take it so personal. It's not about you anyway. Enjoy it for what it is. A sport. And on another note...I for one am glad whole teams are not taking the fall for stupid teammates. I think its better this way. Believe me, if teams are involved the riders will roll on them as opposed to taking all the heat themselves. Rick Delgado Wednesday, July 16, 2008 Yet another...Manual BeltranCyclingnews, This is in response to Patrick Hartigan's letter. How did you ever become a fan of cycling in the first place? Doping in cycling is nothing new, even the greatest cyclist of all time was thrown out of the Giro d’Italia for allegedly doping. There's a reason why cyclists are so inclined to dope, and why cycling as a whole has such issues with doping...its one of the hardest sports out there. These guys wouldn't be risking their careers if they didn't think there was a benefit associated with the risk. If you want a guaranteed clean sport watch curling or badminton, where there's no benefit to be gained. Patrick Quilter Wednesday, July 16, 2008 LeMond: Cycling doesn't need UCIWell done Greg, someone has to say it as yet another of the old guard is caught doping. Is that nearly all of them? Richard Evans Tuesday, July 15, 2008 Dave Russell passes awayHello, My name is Trudy Thompson and my father is the frame builder Dave Russell or David James Russell as he is also known. Sadly he passed away on Sunday evening suddenly. I was wondering if it would be at all possible to put something on your website to let people know. My dad had his shop - Russell Cycles - in Chalvey Slough for 20 odd years with his little red van then he moved to Twyford to another shop until his retirement. He was very well known and respected with the cycling triathlon and swimming circles. His funeral will take place on Friday, August 1 at 1 PM at Slough crematorium for a service and 1.30 PM for burial. Everyone that knows or knew dad is very welcome to come and pay their respects. Afterwards we will hold a wake for dad at the Huntercombe pub, near his house. Trudy Thompson Wednesday, July 16, 2008 Recent letters pagesLetters 2008
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