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Carrie Cheadle, MA (www.carriecheadle.com)
is a Sports Psychology consultant who has dedicated her career to helping
athletes of all ages and abilities perform to their potential. Carrie
specialises in working with cyclists, in disciplines ranging from track
racing to mountain biking. She holds a bachelors degree in Psychology
from Sonoma State University as well as a masters degree in Sport Psychology
from John F. Kennedy University.
Jon Heidemann (www.peaktopeaktraining.com)
is a USAC Elite Certified cycling coach with a BA in Health Sciences from
the University of Wyoming. The 2001 Masters National Road Champion has
competed at the Elite level nationally and internationally for over 14
years. As co-owner of Peak to Peak Training Systems, Jon has helped athletes
of all ages earn over 84 podium medals at National & World Championship
events during the past 8 years.
Dave Palese (www.davepalese.com)
is a USA Cycling licensed coach and masters' class road racer with 16
years' race experience. He coaches racers and riders of all abilities
from his home in southern Maine, USA, where he lives with his wife Sheryl,
daughter Molly, and two cats, Miranda and Mu-Mu.
Kelby Bethards, MD received a Bachelor of
Science in Electrical Engineering from Iowa State University (1994) before
obtaining an M.D. from the University of Iowa College of Medicine in 2000.
Has been a racing cyclist 'on and off' for 20 years, and when time allows,
he races Cat 3 and 35+. He is a team physician for two local Ft Collins,
CO, teams, and currently works Family Practice in multiple settings: rural,
urgent care, inpatient and the like.
Fiona Lockhart (www.trainright.com)
is a USA Cycling Expert Coach, and holds certifications from USA Weightlifting
(Sports Performance Coach), the National Strength and Conditioning Association
(Certified Strength and Conditioning Coach), and the National Academy
for Sports Nutrition (Primary Sports Nutritionist). She is the Sports
Science Editor for Carmichael Training Systems, and has been working in
the strength and conditioning and endurance sports fields for over 10
years; she's also a competitive mountain biker.
Eddie Monnier (www.velo-fit.com)
is a USA Cycling certified Elite Coach and a Category II racer. He holds
undergraduate degrees in anthropology (with departmental honors) and philosophy
from Emory University and an MBA from The Wharton School of Business.
Eddie is a proponent of training with power. He coaches cyclists (track,
road and mountain bike) of all abilities and with wide ranging goals (with
and without power meters). He uses internet tools to coach riders from
David Fleckenstein, MPT (www.physiopt.com)
is a physical therapist practicing in Boise, ID. His clients have included
World and U.S. champions, Olympic athletes and numerous professional athletes.
He received his B.S. in Biology/Genetics from Penn State and his Master's
degree in Physical Therapy from Emory University. He specializes in manual
medicine treatment and specific retraining of spine and joint stabilization
musculature. He is a former Cat I road racer and Expert mountain biker.
Since 1986 Steve Hogg (www.cyclefitcentre.com)
has owned and operated Pedal Pushers, a cycle shop specialising in rider
positioning and custom bicycles. In that time he has positioned riders
from all cycling disciplines and of all levels of ability with every concievable
cycling problem. Clients range from recreational riders and riders with
disabilities to World and National champions.
Current riders that Steve has positioned include Davitamon-Lotto's Nick
Gates, Discovery's Hayden Roulston, National Road Series champion, Jessica
Ridder and National and State Time Trial champion, Peter Milostic.
Pamela Hinton has a bachelor's degree in Molecular
Biology and a doctoral degree in Nutritional Sciences, both from the University
of Wisconsin-Madison. She did postdoctoral training at Cornell University
and is now an assistant professor of Nutritional Sciences at the University
of Missouri-Columbia where she studies the effects of iron deficiency
on adaptations to endurance training and the consequences of exercise-associated
changes in menstrual function on bone health.
Pam was an All-American in track while at the UW. She started cycling
competitively in 2003 and is the defending Missouri State Road Champion.
Pam writes a nutrition column for Giana Roberge's Team Speed Queen Newsletter.
Dario Fredrick (www.wholeathlete.com)
is an exercise physiologist and head coach for Whole Athlete™. He is a
former category 1 & semi-pro MTB racer. Dario holds a masters degree in
exercise science and a bachelors in sport psychology.
Scott Saifer (www.wenzelcoaching.com)
has a Masters Degree in exercise physiology and sports psychology and
has personally coached over 300 athletes of all levels in his 10 years
of coaching with Wenzel Coaching.
Kendra Wenzel (www.wenzelcoaching.com)
is a head coach with Wenzel Coaching with 17 years of racing and coaching
experience and is coauthor of the book Bike Racing 101.
Steve Owens (www.coloradopremiertraining.com)
is a USA Cycling certified coach, exercise physiologist and owner of Colorado
Premier Training. Steve has worked with both the United States Olympic
Committee and Guatemalan Olympic Committee as an Exercise Physiologist.
He holds a B.S. in Exercise & Sports Science and currently works with
multiple national champions, professionals and World Cup level cyclists.
Through his highly customized online training format, Steve and his handpicked
team of coaches at Colorado Premier Training work with cyclists and multisport
athletes around the world.
Richard Stern (www.cyclecoach.com)
is Head Coach of Richard Stern Training, a Level 3 Coach with the Association
of British Cycling Coaches, a Sports Scientist, and a writer. He has been
professionally coaching cyclists and triathletes since 1998 at all levels
from professional to recreational. He is a leading expert in coaching
with power output and all power meters. Richard has been a competitive
cyclist for 20 years
Andy Bloomer (www.cyclecoach.com)
is an Associate Coach and sport scientist with Richard Stern Training.
He is a member of the Association of British Cycling Coaches (ABCC) and
a member of the British Association of Sport and Exercise Sciences (BASES).
In his role as Exercise Physiologist at Staffordshire University Sports
Performance Centre, he has conducted physiological testing and offered
training and coaching advice to athletes from all sports for the past
4 years. Andy has been a competitive cyclist for many years.
Michael Smartt (www.wholeathlete.com)
is an Associate Coach with Whole Athlete. He holds a Masters degree
in exercise physiology, is a USA Cycling Level I (Elite) Coach and is
certified by the NSCA (Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist).
Michael has more than 10 years competitive experience, primarily on the
road, but also in cross and mountain biking. He is currently focused on
coaching road cyclists from Jr. to elite levels, but also advises triathletes
and Paralympians. Michael is a strong advocate of training with power
and has over 5 years experience with the use and analysis of power meters.
Michael also spent the 2007 season as the Team Coach for the Value Act
Capital Women's Cycling Team.
Earl Zimmermann (www.wenzelcoaching.com)
has over 12 years of racing experience and is a USA Cycling Level II Coach.
He brings a wealth of personal competitive experience to his clients.
He coaches athletes from beginner to elite in various disciplines including
road and track cycling, running and triathlon.
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Crank arm length
Asymmetrical ride position
Knee warmers and 'cross
Eyesight and bike position
I just read the article, 'Danielson looks forward to "good pressure" in 2009'
and found the following interesting statement from Danielson:
"I'm also incorporating a few changes regarding my diet and my fat-burning
capabilities. Genetically I'm really efficient with sugars and glycogen but
I'm not very efficient at burning fats. He also had the efficiency with glycogen
and the inefficiency with fat-burning so he has some motivation and interest
to research that"
I think this describes my situation well, I can go for 3-4 hour rides with
no more than two bottles of water and a gel, and I have no problems whatsoever.
I am about 10 kilos overweight (198cm/96kilos) and it seems that no matter how
many hours I put in on the bike, I don't loose any weight. It's like the volume
of training I do is unrelated to changes in my weight. The only way for me to
lose weight is to reduce the calorie intake - increasing the training volume
My diet is fairly ok in my opinion, I try to base it on lean proteins, vegetables
and fruit, and I'm trying to stay away from white bread/pasta/rice and sugars
in general. But of course I eat some candy at times and have a few glasses of
wine. I am 39 years old and I train average 8-9 hours per week over the year.
Can you please explain this concept of 'fat-burning capabilities' he is talking
about and describe what kind of diet and training you should use to improve
Scott Saifer replies:
What makes you think you have poor fat burning ability? Your description
of being able to ride a long way on water and one gel actually suggests just
the opposite. People who are bad at fat burning have to consume a lot of carbs
while riding or they bonk. If you can ride a long way without taking on fuel
while riding, you must be using fat effectively.
Your inability lose weight is not due to a problem of fat metabolism. Your
experience that you need to cut calories to lose weight and that riding more
just doesn't do it probably has more to do with your idea of what constitutes
"riding more". Given that you average 8-9 hours per week year round, I'll
hazard a guess that you use between 400 and 900 calories per hour when riding.
If you add two hours per week to your riding and hold your eating steady,
you'd lose perhaps one kilo each two months. That's very gradual weight loss
and you probably wouldn't notice it on a daily or weekly basis.
On top of that, you'd only have to increase daily calorie consumption by
150 calories per day to completely wipe out the weight loss effect of the
extra riding. One extra glass of wine one day. One large apple another day.
One handful of candy on the third day... you'd hardly notice the increased
eating, but it would eliminate your weight loss.
You didn't say how much riding time you've added in hopes of losing weight,
but if it's on the order of 2 or three hours per week, that's not really enough
unless you are simultaneously very, very strict about your eating. In fact,
unless you work up to professional sorts of training volumes of 25 or more
hours per week, it's always pretty easy to eat back more calories than you
add to your expenditures.
I have had many, many riders who had trouble losing weight suddenly make
lots of progress by eliminating all sweets. Different plans work for different
people, but cutting sweets (candy, cookies, cakes, soda, exercise drinks off
the bike, energy bars off the bike... anything with sugar as a main ingredient)
has worked for enough people that I recommend that as a starting place.
I have a question about cholesterol levels, diet and exercise. Background is
this: I'm 59, 5'11'', 155 lbs. I ride around 150 miles a week- a lot of it packed
in on weekends, plus I run every day for a weekly total of 30-35 miles. I'm
a strict vegetarian on a very low fat diet (no added oil apart from what I get
in tofu and soy milk, plus 3g of flax oil per day).
I do eat non-fat milk products in the form of yoghurt and take a full suite
of vitamin supplements including several grams of Vitamin C daily (I haven't
had a cold in 20 years). I recently had a fasting blood test where my HDL was
low at 34 against a total cholesterol of 125. My doctor without any discussion
apart from the fact he knew I exercised and had a healthy diet, prescribed Pravastatin
to change my HDL/LDL levels.
I have several questions regarding what I can do about raising my HDL without
resorting to a statin drug with known side affects including muscle pain and
soreness (the last thing I need). I've also read that statin drugs don't actually
raise HDL so I'm puzzled by the prescription. I was surprised by the bloodwork
results since I haven't ever had a bad ratio like this before and my parents
had no history of high cholesterol or heart disease. My exercise, diet, and
weight have been pretty constant for a number of years.
Since I already have a decent volume of moderate intensity aerobic training,
would changing this affect HDL? More miles higher intensity? Would weight loss
have any affect on these blood values. I used to marathon at 10 lbs less but
I was always courting illness and injury.
Could my diet be too low in healthy oils? Everything I eat is non fat or has
very low natural oils. I eat no transfats or saturated fats. I did read that
flax oil and Vitamin C supplements can suppress HDL readings so I don't know
if either of those might be an issue.
Are there other dietary supplements that I might try rather than taking a statin
drug for these cholesterol values?
Since I don't have any risk factors other than the low HDL, I'm interested
in pursuing alternative solutions before resorting to drugs like this. Any thoughts
would be much appreciated.
Kelby Bethards replies:
You bring up an interesting point. We live in a sedentary society. Thus,
your doctor's inclination to give you pravastatin. We tend to see people that
unfortunately wouldn't run to catch a pay cheque. That being said, onwards.
An HDL of 34 is a bit low. A bit low for what? Cardioprotective effects.
You said your total cholesterol is 125, or is that your LDL? The reason I
ask is if your LDL is 125, that is a different story than if your total is
125. If your total cholesterol is only 125, then your 'bad' cholesterol (LDL)
would be low. We, as physicians, are trying to lower bad and raise good cholesterol.
HOWEVER, you are doing some of this on your own by exercising.
You are correct in how to lower your LDL and raise HDL... exercise. You have
a genetic predisposition if your HDL is low. Niacin, vitamin B3, can raise
HDL levels and lower cholesterol; however, it can give people a hot flushing
feeling after taking it for about half an hour. Any treatment can have side
effects, and those need to be considered.
If the risk of the medicine does not justify the benefit, then it isn't too
useful. For most, pravastatin is useful. But you have pointed out that your
only risk factor is a bad HDL (not a diabetic, not a smoker, no prior heart
disease, no high blood pressure, no family history - assumptions I've made).
So, you need to re-visit your practitioner and press it again... do you need
pravastatin? Or why do you need it?
It's time for more cold weather questions! We always hear the conventional
wisdom, handed down from the famous coaches... "cover your knees in temperatures
below X". The temperature varies depending on which coach, of course. Most say
65F, a few say 70.
Anyway, this is said to prevent knee injuries. Only thing I can see is prevention
of frostbite. But that's not what the coaches mean - they're talking about knee
soft-tissue injuries, right?
But is there any evidence to support that?
Richardson TX, USA
Kelby Bethards replies:
I'll probably get lambasted by somebody out there for saying this without
being able to site data or literature... but I seem to recall that on a bicycle,
with the wind chill, etc, that the knee's natural lubricants (synovial fluid)
is not as effective below 65 degrees.
So, if the synovial fluid isn't work "as well" as it should it can cause
inflammation and thus pain. The biggest thing to me for cycling versus running
or similar activity is the wind chill not attained by other sports. Thus the
recommendation for covering knees.
I like Scott Saifer's approach - cover your knees to keep them at a certain
temperature "feeling". As far as frost bite, that will happen at a much colder
temperature, and other things are likely to freeze first.
Crank arm length
I was thinking of switching to a 175mm crank from a 172.5mm length. I'm 5'11"
with a 34" inseam, I usually average 90-95 cadence and an average of 175-215
watts on my normal club rides (includes slowing down for traffic lights) and
I average 30 miles per ride. Would the length work well?
Eddie Monnier replies:
The peer-reviewed studies of which I'm aware on small differences in crank
length and the impact on power output (both maximal and steady state) fail
to demonstrate any clear benefit - nor any penalty - in power output. It is
unlikely you would even notice a difference.
To illustrate the point, I ride 167.5 on the track and 170 on the road and
I certainly cannot notice a difference from one to the other. Furthermore,
I had ridden 172.5 for many years but two years ago switched to 170 and did
not notice any difference (but stuck with it because I also did not note any
Having said all that, at a 34cm inseam, you're right on the cusp of where
I might recommend 175mm. So, my recommendation is if you can borrow a pair
from somebody to try them out, by all means, do so.
Asymmetrical ride position
I have a bit of experience in this issue both personally and with other riders.
There is a good possibility of this issue can be due to the cranks not actually
being centred to the centre line of the saddle.
Or to put it another way, the Q-Factor is not symmetrical to the frame.
I know that sounds ridiculous, but numerous companies selling cranks these
days seem to have designed them to look cool and to shift well but chose to
sacrifice the crank being symmetrical to the frame in order to create a lower
Q-Factor. Another possibility is the problem may be from the bottom bracket
shell not being truly centred. This does also occur more often then most people
These two had actually happened to me in the past and on one occurrence caused
chronic knee pain which took about a year to completely remedy.
Lastly, the cleats of the shoes may not properly be centred. This does happen
from time to time out of sloppy assembly, but I would think that this dad is
a bit too neurotic for that oversight. For most people, this will not actually
create an issue as they are just not riding the bike long enough to affect their
body in a negative manner.
My point is, some times the most obvious things can go unchecked. I noticed
you did not make any attempt to ask about the rider's bicycle, or drive train,
and if that had been checked before the poor kid was treated as if he had some
clear biomechanical issue which there is an very high likelihood he does not.
Steve Hogg replies:
I have seen instances such as you mention but never with cranks from the
road bike group set manufacturers. Some of the things that I check when fitting
people are crank length on both sides ( I see the occasional bike supplied
with differing length cranks) and Q factor. With the larger manufacturers,
invariably the Q factor is what they state it to be as is the relative distance
from the centre line of the frame with left and right cranks. Any differences
are within the range of measurement error; i.e., plus or minus a millimetre
Also, over the years I've had a lot of frames checked for alignment and most
medium to high quality frames are pretty good. I accept that some frames have
off centre bottom bracket shells, though usually the problem is a slight twist;
but usually these are inexpensive frames and I don't see many of those.
So while I agree that the issues you mention exist, I see them so rarely
that I tend to discount them as the reason for what was described by the youth's
father. What I do see is people functioning just as was described fairly often.
Certainly, much more often than I see problems of the sort you mention. At
least that is my experience to date.
Knee warmers and 'cross
I found your post on knee warmers interesting, and I follow the 65 deg F advice
when road biking... but when cyclo-cross racing, very few of us seem to follow
this advice. In fact, I find myself unbearably hot when the temps are above
about 45 deg F and I have anything more than my skin suit! Any thoughts? Should
I reconsider and don knee warmers for hard cyclo-cross riding and racing?
Scott Saifer replies:
I suppose if you are generating enough heat internally your knees might be
warm enough to be safe even without any special coverage or knee warmers.
If you have no knee troubles, I'd suggest continuing to keep your knees covered
in training but leave them bare for racing cross, with one exception: On very
cold days or coldish foggy days, add a layer of warming rub and petroleum
jelly just on the vulnerable front of the knees, a few inches each direction
from the knee-cap.
The thin layer of petroleum jelly is about as effective as tights, but can
be focused on only the area that needs to be protected, allowing you to dissipate
heat everywhere else.
Eyesight and bike position
Could you write a bit about eye sight and bike position problems? I am partially
blind in my left eye.
Steve Hogg replies:
I will tell you what my experience is, but would suggest that for a fuller
explanation you are better off talking to a behavioural optometrist.
Vision is our primary method of information gathering. 20% of the fibres
of the eye play no part in vision but play an important role in balance and
proprioception. It follows that if someone has a vision problem, their coordination
and motor skills can be affected. Sometimes this sort of problem can be managed
or eliminated by changing the way the eye receives information. For instance,
a significant number of children who have visual reading problems improve
markedly if they use glasses with a deep yellow or blue lens. These are not
corrective lens in the sense that reading glasses are; they are just a yellow
or blue filter
I have some trick glasses in various colour wavelengths given to me some
years ago by a neurologist with training in behavioural optometry and while
they have an application for a tiny fraction of 1% of riders that I see, sometimes
the results are remarkable. Here's a couple of examples.
1. Elite triathlete with on bike back pain caused by a pronounced drop and
forward rotation of the left hip on the bike. After extensive investigation,
there appeared to be no physical reason for this. I tested her with various
colours of the glasses that I have and if she wears a particular wavelength
of green, she stops dropping her left hip and sits squarely on the seat which
eliminates the back pain.
2. A rider who is partially blind in one eye sits on the bike and pedals
asymmetrically. This causes knee, hip and back problems. In this riders case,
a particular wavelength of blue caused the rider to all but square up on seat
and resolved the various injury issues.
To those reading this who know that they don't sit squarely on a bike, don't
think for a moment that coloured glasses will solve your problem. That will
happen for a tiny fraction only, as the causes of people sitting and functioning
asymmetrically on a bike are far more varied than how they look at the world
Behavioural optometrists are into the detail of this sort of thing far more
than I am and if you feel you have a problem, book some time with one.
I am a competitive cyclist, and have been riding and racing for several years.
I would like to know if you have any advice for me as to why my right side sit
bone always gives me discomfort, and added pressure? Any quick fixes?
Steve Hogg replies:
Assuming no major asymmetries, the most common reason the right sit bone
'lights' up is that the riders seat is a touch too high and the rider autonomically
favours the right side by pushing down harder on the right hand pedal stroke.
Drop your seat 5mm and see if that resolves the problem.
If it doesn't, then you are dropping the right hip on each right hand pedal
stroke because of anything from a short right leg to a functional asymmetry
that causes you to be tighter on the right side. Try the seat drop of 5mm
and let me know how you get on.