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Fitness questions and answers for November 7, 2006
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Carrie Cheadle, MA (www.carriecheadle.com)
is a Sports Psychology consultant who has dedicated her career to helping
athletes of all ages and abilities perform to their potential. Carrie
specialises in working with cyclists, in disciplines ranging from track
racing to mountain biking. She holds a bachelors degree in Psychology
from Sonoma State University as well as a masters degree in Sport Psychology
from John F. Kennedy University.
Dave Palese (www.davepalese.com)
is a USA Cycling licensed coach and masters' class road racer with 16
years' race experience. He coaches racers and riders of all abilities
from his home in southern Maine, USA, where he lives with his wife Sheryl,
daughter Molly, and two cats, Miranda and Mu-Mu.
Kelby Bethards, MD received a Bachelor of
Science in Electrical Engineering from Iowa State University (1994) before
obtaining an M.D. from the University of Iowa College of Medicine in 2000.
Has been a racing cyclist 'on and off' for 20 years, and when time allows,
he races Cat 3 and 35+. He is a team physician for two local Ft Collins,
CO, teams, and currently works Family Practice in multiple settings: rural,
urgent care, inpatient and the like.
Fiona Lockhart (www.trainright.com)
is a USA Cycling Expert Coach, and holds certifications from USA Weightlifting
(Sports Performance Coach), the National Strength and Conditioning Association
(Certified Strength and Conditioning Coach), and the National Academy
for Sports Nutrition (Primary Sports Nutritionist). She is the Sports
Science Editor for Carmichael Training Systems, and has been working in
the strength and conditioning and endurance sports fields for over 10
years; she's also a competitive mountain biker.
Eddie Monnier (www.velo-fit.com)
is a USA Cycling certified Elite Coach and a Category II racer. He holds
undergraduate degrees in anthropology (with departmental honors) and philosophy
from Emory University and an MBA from The Wharton School of Business.
Eddie is a proponent of training with power. He coaches cyclists (track,
road and mountain bike) of all abilities and with wide ranging goals (with
and without power meters). He uses internet tools to coach riders from
David Fleckenstein, MPT (www.physiopt.com)
is a physical therapist practicing in Boise, ID. His clients have included
World and U.S. champions, Olympic athletes and numerous professional athletes.
He received his B.S. in Biology/Genetics from Penn State and his Master's
degree in Physical Therapy from Emory University. He specializes in manual
medicine treatment and specific retraining of spine and joint stabilization
musculature. He is a former Cat I road racer and Expert mountain biker.
Since 1986 Steve Hogg (www.cyclefitcentre.com)
has owned and operated Pedal Pushers, a cycle shop specialising in rider
positioning and custom bicycles. In that time he has positioned riders
from all cycling disciplines and of all levels of ability with every concievable
cycling problem.They include World and National champions at one end of
the performance spectrum to amputees and people with disabilities at the
Current riders that Steve has positioned include Davitamon-Lotto's Nick
Gates, Discovery's Hayden Roulston, National Road Series champion, Jessica
Ridder and National and State Time Trial champion, Peter Milostic.
Pamela Hinton has a bachelor's degree in Molecular
Biology and a doctoral degree in Nutritional Sciences, both from the University
of Wisconsin-Madison. She did postdoctoral training at Cornell University
and is now an assistant professor of Nutritional Sciences at the University
of Missouri-Columbia where she studies the effects of iron deficiency
on adaptations to endurance training and the consequences of exercise-associated
changes in menstrual function on bone health.
Pam was an All-American in track while at the UW. She started cycling
competitively in 2003 and is the defending Missouri State Road Champion.
Pam writes a nutrition column for Giana Roberge's Team Speed Queen Newsletter.
Dario Fredrick (www.wholeathlete.com)
is an exercise physiologist and head coach for Whole Athlete™. He is a
former category 1 & semi-pro MTB racer. Dario holds a masters degree in
exercise science and a bachelors in sport psychology.
Scott Saifer (www.wenzelcoaching.com)
has a Masters Degree in exercise physiology and sports psychology and
has personally coached over 300 athletes of all levels in his 10 years
of coaching with Wenzel Coaching.
Kendra Wenzel (www.wenzelcoaching.com)
is a head coach with Wenzel Coaching with 17 years of racing and coaching
experience and is coauthor of the book Bike Racing 101.
Richard Stern (www.cyclecoach.com)
is Head Coach of Richard Stern Training, a Level 3 Coach with the Association
of British Cycling Coaches, a Sports Scientist, and a writer. He has been
professionally coaching cyclists and triathletes since 1998 at all levels
from professional to recreational. He is a leading expert in coaching
with power output and all power meters. Richard has been a competitive
cyclist for 20 years
Andy Bloomer (www.cyclecoach.com)
is an Associate Coach and sport scientist with Richard Stern Training.
He is a member of the Association of British Cycling Coaches (ABCC) and
a member of the British Association of Sport and Exercise Sciences (BASES).
In his role as Exercise Physiologist at Staffordshire University Sports
Performance Centre, he has conducted physiological testing and offered
training and coaching advice to athletes from all sports for the past
4 years. Andy has been a competitive cyclist for many years.
Kim Morrow (www.elitefitcoach.com)
has competed as a Professional Cyclist and Triathlete, is a certified
USA Cycling Elite Coach, a 4-time U.S. Masters National Road Race Champion,
and a Fitness Professional.
Her coaching group, eliteFITcoach, is based out of the Southeastern United
States, although they coach athletes across North America. Kim also owns
a resource for cyclists, multisport athletes & endurance coaches around
the globe, specializing in helping cycling and multisport athletes find
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Time trialling leg numbness
The balance test
Cramps after time off
Fainting while riding
I ride Sidi Genius 5.5 HT Carbon shoes (size 42.5) and Speedplay Zero pedals.
I am a Cat 1 experienced racer who is trying to dial in an efficient and comfortable
pedaling position. For some reason I am unable to wear this comfortable shoe/pedal
combination and have a powerful pedal stroke. I always feel like I am toeing
with each pedal stroke. I've done everything from pushing the cleat as far back
as possible to bringing out the dremmil tool and drilling some extra room (compromising
the strength of the cleat). Riding shoes all come pre-drilled for popular cleat/pedal
brands. I have switched pedals and shoes a few times, however I still run into
the same problem. Sidi shoes and Speedplay Zeros are comfortable and I prefer
to somehow stay with this combination.
Steve Hogg replies:
You have a common problem. It is very likely that you don't have your cleats
back far enough particularly with your combination of shoe and pedal.
Sidis have an okay cleat hole mounting position but it is further forward
than some brands. Speedplays have less rearward adjustment, relative to the
foot the in shoe, than any other system. Have a look at these two posts relating
to the ball of the foot
and cleat positioning.
I always thought that for the best possible Q-factor and power production
that your shoes should be as close to the crank as possible (without touching).
However, while looking at many pictures of the pro peloton it always looks like
there's a decent gap between their crank and shoe.
Steve Hogg replies:
There is no ideal in other than an individual sense. I have found many times
that riders who are tight generally in and around the hips, and who tend to
pedal with knees out some distance from the top tube, are better served with
feet further out from the crank arm than what you describe.
As a general 'rule', if your feet naturally point straight ahead on the pedals
(relatively uncommon), then move your foot closer to the crank and experiment
until either you are hitting the crank or you feel better with feet slightly
further apart. If you splay your feet in or outwards noticeably, there will
be practical limits as to what you can achieve without your foot fouling either
the crank arm or the chainstays.
I recently tried positioning my cleats farther back (from the ball of the foot
to a little behind the ball). I did not make any adjustments left or right on
the cleat, I just slid it back a few mm's. I did not make any adjustments to
the saddle height or fore/aft position after the cleat relocation. I noticed
a more "stable" feel from my feet, which felt good. After a longer
distance I noticed a little 'tinge' from my upper right Achilles area that I
hadn't felt before. Not really painful, but a twinge that seemed to tell me
something was a little off.
Several hours after the ride the area just below the left knee on the inside
and a little to the back of the leg began to hurt. It was tender to the touch
and I noticed it when I walked. I iced it a bit and went for a ride the next
day, and noticed that it didn't hurt (much), when I rode. Where I did notice
it was when I was starting from a stop on out of the saddle efforts.
So, do you think the soreness is from not adjusting the fore/aft position of
the saddle or is it just getting used to a new position? Also, I have the Keo
pedal with the red cleats (float) and tend to have them positioned neutrally
(toes not in or out). Also, I typically ride with a heel down position (not
on my toes excessively).
Steve Hogg replies:
With one exception, everything you have said with regard to twinges and discomfort
suggests that your seat is a touch too high, so it would be a good idea to
lower it a few mm.
The exception is that you "have the Keo pedal with the red cleats (float)
and tend to have them positioned neutrally (toes not in or out)". The
way to adjust your cleat angle is as follows: Clip in and go for a ride with
a suitable screwdriver in your pocket. Put some pressure on the pedals in
a big gear for 20 seconds and then stop and coast with your right foot forward.
Try and move your heel inwards.
Is there available movement? If no, stop and adjust the the front of the
cleat to point further inwards (yes, front of cleat needs to point in the
direction of more desired movement at the heel).If yes, repeat the pedal hard,
then coast with right foot forwards, but this time, try and twist the heel
Is there available movement? If yes, is it more or less equal to the amount
of inward play you had? If yes, great. If no and the difference is large,
re-adjust cleat angle. If there was no inward movement available to the heel,
then stop and adjust the nose of the cleat to point further inward.
Repeat the above on the left leg until you have a more or less even amount
of movement either side of where your feet naturally want to sit on the pedal
under load. That may or may not be 'positioned neutrally (toes not in or out)'.
Whether it is or not, it will be at an angle that is correct for you.
I have seen a few options on choosing crank length, but I want a better one.
I am 6'5" with a 39.75" inseam, and have a size 14.5 US foot. I run
180 cranks, and feel great on them. My riding style is relatively high cadence
like 95 to 99 rpm for long rides, and above for criteriums. I have a few friends
who tell me to drop to 175 or 177.5 cranks for better performance. They all
site the rumors of Lance Armstrong running 165s stamped with 170. However I'm
stuck in the thought of 180s being anatomically correct for me. My question
to you is how can I use a Computrainer (I think that would give the best data
with power and pedal scan) along with switching between 180s and 175s to see
where the advantage lies for me?
Charlotte, NC, USA
Scott Saifer replies:
The benefit of shorter cranks is generally smoother spin and higher cadences.
If you can spin 95+ in all your races, I doubt your cranks are too long. If
you consider your leg length and foot size compared to most riders, even Lance
Armstrong, you'll find that proportionally you are already on short cranks.
Time trialling leg numbness
I am finding in events where I use my time trial bike that I experience pins
and needles in my left leg (my weaker side). It starts in my toes then my foot
but eventually continues up my leg. I don't have this on either my winter training
bike or my road bike. Neither does it occur on my right leg. I have tried various
positions to alleviate the issue (higher bars, shorter reach, change of saddle
height, tilt and even a narrower saddle) but the problem continues to persist.
I wouldn't say I'm particularly flexible and tend to get stiff muscles in my
outer left calf and on my lower back on the right hand side.
Steve Hogg replies:
The likely cause is that something about your TT position is challenging
you in some way. My best guess based on what you have told me is that a lower
torso position (if it is lower) on your TT bike or the further forward seat
position or some other positional difference or a combination of several factors
to do with your TT position, are causing you to be less stable on the seat.
The right side low back and outer left calf pain both suggest that you are
probably dropping the right hip because you are tighter on the right side
and with this asymmetric way of pedaling, then have to extend the left leg
further under load. That's a guess but probably somewhere near correct.
How to solve; mimic the seat position of your road bike on your TT bike and
then adjust the aero bars so that your torso position on your TT bike mirrors
that of your road bike when you ride with hands in the drops. That assumes
of course, that you can spend time comfortably with hands in the drops of
your road bars on your other bikes. If you can't, then you better lift your
bars on your road bikes until you are comfortable when riding in the drops
and them mimic that upper body position on your TT bike.
The world is infatuated with aerodynamics for TT's and that's fine to a point.
Aerodynamics is a means to an end. The end we seek is to perform well. But
if we seek an aerodynamic position without the functional ability to achieve
it with ease, then the body will protest and the end result is lowered performance
often accompanied by injury.
The balance test
I have read most of your bike fit articles over the past year or so and have
implemented most of the suggestions with outstanding improvements in fit and
comfort after several years of riding with the saddle too high, cleats too far
forward and increasing pain as I age (60). Every one of the suggestions has
improved comfort after trial and error as suggested, and usually in the direction
where you identify the largest percentage of relief from something amiss.
One problem remains: I have an arthritic condition in my lower back that makes
the 'balance test' problematic - I can't stay bent over the bike with no hands
long enough to determine whether it's stable without having to grab back on
before I lose control or suffer substantial back pain. While I can ride with
no lower back pain with hands on the bars (something I couldn't do with the
saddle forward and the back effectively arched), I just can't carry all the
weight with the torso alone. I still get some shoulder pain and hand numbness
on long rides and I can't figure out if this is inevitable or just an old habit
I can't break, or something that could be helped with further positioning. I
have often found myself tensing my shoulders towards my ears with no particular
stimulus, and I can relax comfortably without pain if I keep myself conscious
of this, but the event creeps back when I concentrate on other issues while
Steve Hogg replies:
The balance test is an imperfect explanation of the way that I go about determining
seat set back. It is imperfect in that a rider needs a reasonable degree of
function to pass it as well as having their seat position correct.
From the sound of it, your lower back is not flash and you are using your
upper torso and arms to provide stability and unload your back. This may be
as good as it gets for you, I don't know. If you can ride the distances you
want to at the intensity that you wish to with little or no problems, then
I wouldn't worry too much.
Your inability to pass the balance test without pain suggests you still have
a way to go with strengthening the core muscles that should help prevent back
pain under the 'hands off' test.
If you don't have much pressure on your hands when riding moderately hard,
and don't experience back pain while riding as you please, within reason,
then you are probably where you need to be on the bike or very close to it.
I have been getting pain along the outside of my knee cap and also in the muscle
just above and below the knee cap to the outside. All my pain is on the outside
of my left leg, never medial, posterior or anterior. I only have pain in my
left knee. My normal foot position is for my feet to face outwards, duck footed
and I have adjusted my cleats to accommodate that position. I have just switched
to Speedplays and I have narrowed my stance, but I am still feeling pain.
My seat height give me about 30 degrees of knee bend. I have my cleats placed
towards the heal of my shoe so that I do not have Achilles pain, so the ball
of my foot sits a little in front of my pedal axis. A plum dropped from the
bone just below my knee would drop right at my pedal axis.
I have been told that I have a tight IT band, but I stretch and roll it everyday
and I still have the pain. Any suggestions on bike set up to help ease the pain?
I was told that I should possibly narrow my stance even more
Steve Hogg replies:
It certainly sounds like what you are experiencing is the result of a tight
IT band on the left. As to likely causes, here are some boxes to tick:
1. Have an observer have a look at you on the bike. You will need to be on
an indoor trainer under reasonable load and with your shirt off. The observer
will need to be above and behind you (stand on a stool, box, low chair or
similar). What the observer needs to ascertain is whether you drop your right
hip or rotate the right side of your pelvis forward and down. If so, this
is the likely cause of your left side IT band pain. The right side hip drop
causes the plane of movement of the left leg to be challenged constantly as
well as causing the left leg to overextend to some extent.
2. Have someone check your forefoot varus on both sides. If you have a noticeably
varus forefoot on either side, and depending on just how you compensate for
that, a tight left IT band can be part of the problem.
3. If the above two are negative, i.e. you sit square and don't favour either
side while pedaling under load and have little or no forefoot varus, then
it is time to see a physiotherapist or similar and have:
A. A global assessment with particular attention paid to asymmetries of tightness
in hips and lower back. And:
B. A scan or x ray to determine if there is a bone length difference.
If I was a betting man, I would place my bet on 1 or 2 as the most likely
Cramps after time off
I was happy to finally see these questions from Viktor
Recina and Robin Valdes, and
thought I would share my experience with this problem. I have had symptoms identical
to those described by Viktor and Robin, and though I've done much searching
and had seen a few doctors, I had not yet heard of anyone with similar problems
and no one could give me a diagnosis. However, the diagnosis of a muscular myopathy
surprises me since I have found that my condition has gotten better over time.
I am a 25 year old cat 1 racer. I first had these symptoms 5 years ago as a
cat 4 after taking 3 days off after a summer of consistent training. This first
time was the worst - I couldn't walk or even stand up without extreme pain.
It took 3 weeks for the symptoms to go away enough to ride again. Since then,
I've had the same symptoms once or twice a year in similar circumstances, sometimes
after just 1 day off the bike. Since I could find no explanation, my solution
was to try to avoid taking a day off riding as much as possible. However, I
have noticed that the severity of pain, and time required off the bike has decreased
with each episode. Though it still happens sometimes, I don't need to be as
careful as I used to be, and I am usually back to normal in a few days.
I suppose I don't have a good understanding of what a muscular myopathy entails,
but I assumed it is a degeneracy: getting worse over time. My condition seems
to have improved. Further, I've been consistently faster every year, and am
now competitive in NRC races. Would this be possible with a muscular myopathy?
Scott Saifer replies:
Saying that one has a myopathy', is a fancy way of saying that one has a
disease of the muscle. I'm not an expert on skeletal muscle myopathies, but
have studied cardiomyopathies (heart muscle problems) a bit.
In the case of the heart there are many genetic variations or mutations in
the genes that code for the contractile protein. We generally only know about
the ones that cause serious problems. The ones that cause problems mostly
make the muscle less effective at contraction.
I see no reason to believe that one could not have a genetic variation that
led to both a slight improvement in the muscle function in bike racing and
cramps if one takes a day off. You could be a mutant and still compete at
the cat one level, or even compete at the cat one level because you are a
Fainting while riding
A week ago I was riding to work like every morning when I fainted and fell
to the ground cold (never fight an inanimate object). I broke the left collar
bone, hit the side of my head hard and also ruptured my ear drum.
I'll live. But I am curious why I fainted. I am an active adult (42 years old
riding 6000km a year) and was going at pedestrian pace when it happened so effort
was not an issue. What should I look for during a check up? Low electrolytes?
Heart problems? Low blood pressure?
Washington DC, USA
Scott Saifer replies:
There are plenty of reasons why a rider might faint. Some of them are totally
benign and can be fixed by changing the diet or hydration behaviors. Others
are more serious medical conditions. The possibilities will be distinguished
by tests that a coach can't do over the internet and can't order for you.
The important thing is to get to a doctor and let that doctor help you figure
out what happened and what treatment is needed. You may now feel totally normal,
but I'd suggest not riding again outdoors until you get diagnosis.
A friend of mine came off his bike this morning. He hit some grease on the
roads of Jakarta and went for a skid along the road. Needless to say he has
lost a bit of skin on his arms and legs and butt. He mentioned to me that he
wants the wounds to dry out but I seem to recall reading that you should keep
them moist so that the scabs don't break apart when you move your arms and legs.
Scott Saifer replies:
Letting a road rash air will make it dry out and stop bleeding sooner, the
first time, but you are correct that keeping the area clean, protected and
moist will give you faster healing, less scarring and less re-opening of the
Clean the wound gently with warm soapy water once a day, coat it with an
antibiotic ointment and then cover it with a sterile dressing.
I have just been diagnosed with hyperthyroidism, and am a keen mountain biker.
I found your previous
article and liked the analogy of someone with hyperthyroidism being like
a car engine with the tick-over at 2500rpm.
My question is what is my engine speed when I am cycling? My heart rate is
now about 60 when relaxed (previous low was 42 bpm). Is my heart beating faster
by ~20bpm regardless of my activity level, impairing my performance when cycling?
It is normally between 140-160 when I am working hard, and I do not feel the
effects of the hyperthyroidism when I am cycling, but am I endangering myself
by continuing to cycle?
Kelby Bethards replies:
If your thyroid function is too high, then treatment is something you need
to pursue. Overactive thyroid can be hard on the heart (cause irregular rhythms)
and actually cause some muscle weakness.
So, if your hyperthyroidism is mild, I wouldn't expect it to make too much
difference to your riding. However, you may have some decrease in endurance
and power. So, if you don't feel anything, then I'd say you are probably doing
I can't promise you anything but, speak with your physician. I would expect
he/she'd agree that you can continue to ride. If you begin having symptoms,
you should stop until you are being treated for the condition.
Short version: You are idling at about 1000rpm instead of 700. But you still
can redline fine.
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